Jim Turner Responds to yabder4’s Questions!

Dumb Like A Fox

Dumb Like A Fox



You can say a lot of things about Jim Turner, most likely a lot of those thing are not complimentary!

But Jim Turner says what he thinks and is a man of his word. I have had a lot of run ins with Jim, but he stands his ground! He is a man of integrity and I am proud to call him my friend! (Most of the time)

Jim Turner believes in this community! He has nothing but good things to say about this town and its residents with the exception of Craig Gammie.

He responded to these questions within 12 hours of them being posted without urging!

Jim Turner has wisdom and an intense passion for property rights, this town and his beliefs.

I rate his answers to these question with a 9 out of 10. Only because if I give him a 10 he would light a cigar and we don’t need more legal fees!

Jim Turner is the Vitamin C we need to supplement the cod liver oil we  require!

His Answers:

1. Some people seek political office today to pursue self-serving agendas that fail to reflect the will of the public. If you are elected, how will you avoid this pitfall and advocate for the well being of all your constituents?

(1) Four years ago I looked at the names of the people running for office in Ward 1 and decided I could not vote for any of them. I should add that Paul McKenzie had not filed papers at that time.

My reasoning was that voting “None of the above” was not an option and I had better be prepared to walk a mile in their shoes if I was unwilling to support any of them.

I had no agenda, no issue I wanted to push, no interest group to represent, nothing I wanted to do away with and a feeling I might be able to do better than those I couldn’t in good conscience vote into office.

I knew it would take time away from my business just as being a volunteer had but I really was not prepared for the volume of work and learning that confronted me to do the job properly and well.

How do you avoid the pitfall? The self serving part is easy – stick to a set of principles every time. Smaller government, fewer regulations and respect for people and property have served me well. I guess I should say respect for people who show they deserve it – there are always going to be people who don’t.

The “will of the public” is another matter. There are five sides to almost every issue. Some people want to walk their dog, others don’t like dogs. Some want to swim, some want to windsurf. Some people want a road paved while their neighbours see that turning a quiet road into a speedway. Which will of which public?

Maybe the doctors have it right ¨First do no harm¨  – then go back to your principles.

2. Many believe that Council improperly discusses issues in camera that should be aired in a public forum. If an issue arises in an in-camera meeting that you think should be discussed in open forum, what would you do?


(2) Many are wrong! There are strict rules as to what is discussed in a Closed Session.

It is the clerk’s job to see the rules are followed and the opinion of a council member does not override the regulations. There have been a number of occasions when the clerk stopped the discussion during a Closed Session to inform council they must reconvene to open because they had strayed from the Closed agenda.

3. Do you have any objections to being video and/or audio recorded during Council meetings?

(3) I personally have no objections but I can tell you that video streaming, and to some degree audio recording, present an opportunity to grandstand for an audience that is disruptive to getting the job done. There have also been cases reported in other municipalities that do stream where members have remained silent rather than speak their mind freely on a sensitive topic.

4. It often appears that administrative staff lead Council, rather than the other way around. Do you agree that staff and planners should function at Council’s behest since it is Council that is elected to represent the views and concerns of the community?

(4) I see why some people might take a snapshot view of a meeting and believe staff are leading. Staff react to council requests or resolutions, sometimes from a previous meeting, bring forward a report and council decides.

During my term I have seen no true evidence of staff leading council other than when staff encounters a procedural anomaly or conflict and presents a report asking for council to correct it. That isn’t leading, it’s good staff work.

In some cases staff will take initiative and bring a report to council they feel is worthy of consideration such as the need to vary from a budgeted workplan because conditions have changed but council makes the decision

Staff can not make policy since they don’t vote and anyone who feels council follows staff recommendations blindly has never watched the current council in action!

5. Do you, or any family member, have a pecuniary and/or working interest in any industrial energy project within the Municipality, outside the Municipality, outside the Province, or outside Canada? If so, please elaborate. If not, would you ever consider becoming a stakeholder in a large-scale energy project if the opportunity presented itself?


(5) No to part 1.

As for part 2, speculating on a future opportunity is pointless but I seriously doubt one that would interest me will present itself. Green energy is the only kind being pushed in this Province and I don’t support any energy source that requires subsidies to support purchase, installation and operation.












There is a fine line……….Town of South Bruce Peninsula Election


 Bruce the Blight

Bruce the Blight


As may of you know, I have not been a fan of John Cod Liver Close historically! Hell I have compared him to Hitler, Stalin and lately Cod Liver Oil!

I have made it known that we are not buddies!

I am a business man in this community! Business is Business! For the last eight years the bickering, back biting and bullshit that has gone on in this community is to say the least embarrassing!

I have published a fair amount of it over the four years!

We have a situation where no one wants to invest in this area because of this nonsense.

I have bitten the bullet and have decided that what we need is stability in our community. John Close has made moves over the last four years to that end. I may not like his politics or his means but things are or were beginning to show signs of stabilizing until now!

I have spoken to Janice Jackson on several occasions! I have told her that I think she has great prospects for a political future however I believe she does not have the scar tissue to survive if she were to win this election!

The biggest factor effecting the prosperity of this community is the voter against voter, area against area. Our common enemy is the Provincial Government and their intervention in the affairs of this community.

We have to live and work together to achieve our common objectives. Even if it means I have to eat a little crow!

To promote litigation challenging a vote before the vote happens is a very dangerous path to walk. To make allegations before something happens is irresponsible and an indication of desperation.

To turn one part of the community against the other on a maybe is just irresponsible!

GODS GRIST WHEEL TURNS SLOWLY!!!!!!  Be wary my friends!

From: Janice Jackson< jackson4saublebeach@gmail.com> Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: Election Update To:

Hi everyone!

The ballots are starting to hit mailboxes today.

This has been a nasty election.

They Mayor has taken out newspaper ads accusing me of supporting things I’m totally against and of course you know he and the rest of the old boys club have gone to trailer parks and registered voters who more than likely do not qualify to vote.

At last count, they have signed up 400. That is a large number considering our Municipality is small and only 60% usually vote. The recruitment isn’t over yet as many campers come up on Thanksgiving Weekend. This number will likely change the outcome of the election. But we have further problems. As they are still recruiting campers, town hall will not furnish candidates with any further updates to the voters list. Our Electoral Officer Angie Cathrea told me a few days ago that I could call her the day before the election and if I give her the addresses of the campgrounds, she would tell me how many voters are registered at each. Just ten minutes ago she sent a letter to all candidates saying she will not give us any more information on any changes she has made to the voter’s list. We will not know the final number of trailer voters.

This is a very dangerous stand to take and I’m quite sure there will be an official appeal to the results of the Election all the way to the Attorney General’s Office. Not only do we absolutely challenge the legitimacy of the trailer voters, we challenge the way they were recruited & registered and we now face being completely cut off from the final changes to the voter’s list. We will not know the identity of everyone who has been given a ballot to vote in our town.

The old boys know they have lost this election and are scrambling to find ways to win it back. I guess if the current roster of legitimate voters won’t re-elect them, they may as well drum up new voters who will. I have seen a lot in my 4 years on Council but this completely takes the cake. It’s outrageous.

Please make sure you vote and make your vote count! Please make sure you encourage your friends, family and neighbours to vote. Democracy has been challenged.

It is my understanding a legal fund has been started to launch an appeal if the election results are clearly outrageous. I truly hope this won’t be necessary but the way this is unfolding makes it very likely.

I am extremely worried about the results of the election because in my opinion, our beach will be given to the First Nations quickly, and in a recent conversation I had with First Nations Chief Vernon Roote, he is 100% in favour of sewers in Sauble. If the old boys have just 3 votes, we don’t stand a chance.

This entire situation is horrible.

Please vote!



“The Mayor has taken out newspaper ads accusing me of supporting things I’m totally against and of course you know he and the rest of the old boys club have gone to trailer parks and registered voters who more than likely do not qualify to vote.”

Criminal Slander crosses the line in my book! So does fear mongering!

” there will be an official appeal to the results of the Election all the way to the Attorney General’s Office.”

If you think that the Towns legal fees were high last year just wait for this one!

“we absolutely challenge the legitimacy of the trailer voters, we challenge the way they were recruited & registered “

This is something to be said after the election not before. To threaten illegal activity before the election is a very slippery slope!

 “our beach will be given to the First Nations “

You can’t give what isn’t yours! ( Royal Proclamation 1736)

You cannot unite a community while striving to divide it!