Craig Gammie …Master of Half Truths!

Mr. Gammie posted the following comment in response to my posting:

Sauble Land Claim The Gift That Keeps On Giving!


The Saugeen Ojibway First Nation may have filed a lawsuit claiming 66 feet. But they don’t own it. Only if and when the courts say they own it will they own it.

Both SOFN claims are groundless.

Craig Gammie

It is easy to understand, given statements like his, why the Indians say “White man speak with forked tounge!

Craig, the facts are:

The Royal Proclamation of 1736 granted everything north of highway 21, (a line between the mouth of the Potawatomy to the mouth of the Saugeen river and all points north to Tobermory) to the First Nation People. Again, in 1851 the Royal Declaration declared exactly the same.

The Crown agreed to reserve the same for the First nations people.

In 1855 the Natives signed a surrender treaty wherein which the Natives agreed to surrender to the British provided that the land of the Peninsula would be held by the Crown “In Trust” to the benefit of the Natives. The Crown was to build a road from the mouth of the Saugeen to the mouth of the Potawatomy, a one mile strip of land between the two points was allocated for that purpose.

The Crown sold the land in the one mile strip and did not give the funds to the Natives. Further to that, and as part of the Surrender agreement, the road allowances were allocated subsequent to a survey of the said land. As part of that, there was a road allowance decreed encompassing a road along the shoreline around the whole of the Peninsula allowing 66 feet in from the waterline to be paid for when the roads were opened, this never happened either. Further to that the Natives were allocate an 11 kilometer stretch of water out from the shoreline around the entire peninsula. This fact is acknowledged and embrace by the BNA of 1867 and reaffirmed when Trudeau brought it home.

In the Land Claim of 1994 the Natives, have honoured all Crown Patented lands but have demanded the return of the unopened road allowances and payment for the utilized road allowances.

The Natives have take their action out in the Haig at the World Court, as they believe they will not obtain a fair Trial in the Canadian system. Something I believe to be true.

Mr. Gammie states: “Only if and when the courts say they own it will they own it.” Let me think about this for a minute…We as a Country, have agreed to do something, reaffirmed it in the BNA and in our Constitution,  pissed backwards and have said in essence… I know we said we would but you have to prove we said we would in a Court, that we pay the Judges.Oh and by the way we are going to keep all the money until you prove we said it while we argue every little point. “

There are 226 outstanding land Claims in the Province of Ontario today! The Courts and the Government have displayed outright contempt and racism towards the Natives historically. We as a people, represented by our Government have trapped the natives on reserves plundered their land, the same land that we promised to hold for them in trust, stolen any and all benefits from the trust and now we want to go to Court and make them prove that we are not all a bunch of lying thieves before Judges that we pay. Sounds fair to me!!  NOT!

Remember we as a people took two generations of the Native children, placed them in residential schools and brain washed those same children into believing that they were second class scum of the earth then sent them home to their families on reserves that were underfunded and poverty stricken and now we wonder why they are fighting back!

Yes Craig you are a true Politician! Tell everyone what they want to hear, get what you want, then deny everything until it is proven in a court, which you control, that you said it. You really have proven that you should never be elected in my opinion!!!!

Definition of TRUST in Canada

In common law legal systems, a trust is a relationship whereby property is held by one party for the benefit of another. A trust is created by a settlor, who transfers some or all of his or her property to a trustee. The trustee holds that property for the trust’s beneficiaries. Trusts have existed since Roman times and have become one of the most important innovations in property law.[1]

An owner placing property into trust turns over part of his or her bundle of rights to the trustee, separating the property’s legal ownership and control from its equitable ownership and benefits. This may be done for tax reasons or to control the property and its benefits if the settlor is absent, incapacitated, or dead. Trusts are frequently created in wills, defining how money and property will be handled for children or other beneficiaries.

The trustee is given legal title to the trust property, but is obligated to act for the good of the beneficiaries. The trustee may be compensated and have expenses reimbursed, but otherwise must turn over all profits from the trust properties. Trustees who violate this fiduciary duty are self-dealing. Courts can reverse self dealing actions, order profits returned, and impose other sanctions.

The trustee may be either an individual, a company, or a public body. There may be a single trustee or multiple co-trustees.

The trust is governed by the terms under which it was created. In most jurisdictions, this requires a contractual trust agreement or deed.

Say what you are going to do and do what you say you are going to do! Otherwise you are just the lying scum of the earth!

The oath of Office is a promise not a formality!!!!



5 thoughts on “Craig Gammie …Master of Half Truths!

  1. thewackyone says:

    So Bruce according to your statement and 1736 and 1836 treaty everything north of 21 belongs to the natives. I guess we should start packing up. Where exactly is it I can go!

    • thewackyone

      There were no treaties in 1736 or 1836! There was a Royal Proclamation in 1736 and a Royal Declaration in 1851. These were not treaties they were declarations of the Crown! True Common Law!
      80% of the Land on the Bruce Peninsula was sold by way of Crown Patent, which the Natives have agreed to honour, even though they were never paid for the land! All the Patents were issued to the patent holders which were transferable to the heirs in title successors in title and assigns forever.
      That means that all rights associated with the land were outside the governance of the Dominion of Canada and the Province of Ontario as a result of the Union Act of 1851 and the BNA Act of 1867.
      The only relevant Treaty is the Surrender Treaty of 1855, which again gave title to the Crown in Trust to the benefit of the Natives.
      These Patents were and are in Fee Simple in most cases.
      Where can you go?? If you own land on the Peninsula it is likely you have a Patent if not then buy land with a Patent and go there!
      If in the alternative you rent, you in fact are subject to your tenancy agreement and have purchased all rights of utility and are therefor governed by that agreement subject to the limitations of the original Patent.
      Do a little homework my friend the only rights you have are those that you enforce! Allowing civil servants and incompetent elected officials to drive your bus will get you the right to a concrete box in an urban area! See agenda 21 United Nations!

  2. yabder4 says:

    In the 2004 Haida case, the Supreme Court of Canada said “Third parties cannot be held liable for failing to discharge the Crown’s duty to consult and accommodate. The honour of the Crown cannot be delegated, and the legal responsibility for consultation and accommodation rests with the Crown”.

    So the feds cannot delegate the responsibility for accommodation to municipalities such as TSBP?

    • It would appear that your summation is correct!
      However, if the third party uses deceit in the execution of their duties, either through misrepresentation or neglect, then they are in fact liable. Subsequently, if the authority misleads or misrepresents, in the Name of the Crown, that authority is in fact liable.
      Double edged sword!
      Go figure!!

  3. cgammie says:


    Most of Southwestern Ontario, except for reserved land, was surrendered to the crown before 1851. In 1851 the “half mile strip” between what are now Owen Sound and Southampton was surrendered. With treaty 72 of October 13, 1854 (not 1855), also called the “surrender of the Saugeen Peninsula”, most of the Bruce Peninsula was surrendered. Contrary to your assertion, the treaty did not give the crown the land to be held in trust for the beneficial use of the Saugeen Ojibway first nation. Quite the opposite. With that treaty the whole Bruce Peninsula was surrendered to the crown except for reserves 29 (saugeen), 28 (chief’s point), and 27 (cape croker). The treaty is at:

    Click to access Surrender%20of%20Saugeen%20peninsula%2072%20Oct%2013%201854.pdf

    The treaty provides for “a full and complete surrender …subject to certain reservations and restrictions hereinafter set forth …”

    The treaty does prescribe lands kept for the benefit of the first nations, but it is clearly the reserves that are kept for their benefit, not the surrendered lands.

    There is simply no indication in the treaty that; ” the land of the Peninsula would be held by the Crown “In Trust” to the benefit of the Natives.”

    Such a reading is a misreading.

    The land in question (Sauble beach) was clearly surrendered, and so is not “theirs”. As I said, it becomes “theirs” only when a court says it is “theirs”.

    I think the likelihood of that happening is zero. Zero for Sauble Beach to seventh street. Zero for any 66 foot strip of beach.

    Just my opinion, of course. But let’s see how it unfolds.

    Craig Gammie

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